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The ESSENTIAL tools of violin making
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J. Goldsmith Strings
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome, thanks Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J. Goldsmith Strings wrote:

Quick question: how do you glue a violin fingerboard to an already carved neck? I tried on a violin I'm restoring, and the glue gelled too quickly. Should I heat the surface first?...
Joe

In addition to the posts by Chet and kjb....Absolutely... heat both surfaces first. Use any old hair dryer and get the surfaces good and warm, then apply the glue, wiggle the FB on the neck to get the excess glue to run out, then clamp. You mentioned you have 315 glue... That is too strong for a fingerboard and gels rather quickly depending on how much you have thinned it with water. Heat the glue to a max of 60 deg Celsius and at that temp the glue should run off, (but not drip) of the stir stick like warm honey. Try to get some granular hide glue that has a strength in the order of 180 to 200 for glueing the nut, saddle, fingerboard and top.
Here is a thread on glues...
https://www.violins.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1441&highlight=

And here is a link that breifly explains hide glue Bloom Strength measured in grams:
http://studioproducts.com/newsletters/Rabbitskin-Hide-Glue.html
Good luck Joe... Mat
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chet Bishop wrote:
Yes.
But warming the two surface with a hair-dryer or heat gun before attempting to join them helps a great deal.


I use a slightly different method.

I have an old electric heating pad in an empty box, that I'll put the object(s) in for a while, while I do something else - the parts get warm throughout their mass - and then I take them out to glue.
A fingerboard and neck will fit perfectly in there.

If the neck is still attached to the violin, then the heating pad is still used, but it put around the neck with the fingerboard stuffed in there also.

The small amount of heat, and the small amount of time involved, will not create a significant problem for, or hurt the violin in this case either.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

clever idea!
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J. Goldsmith Strings
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:44 pm    Post subject: New tools Reply with quote

I picked up the tools today. Anyone got any idea what the jigs are?
















































Does this edge look too thin to you?





Should I finish off the half-done back and front for my first violin or should I start from scratch?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow quite a haul !

I would finish the top and back and put it together, unless its really nice wood then I would wait.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way to match identifications to your fuzzy pictures. Most of them do not look familiar but many should be obvious to you by now. There is a purfling groove marker (or two), thickness caliper, scratch stock for edge fluting, mold, etc. Better to ask about three or four things at a time, with sharp pictures.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: The ESSENTIAL tools of violin making Reply with quote

[quote="J. Goldsmith Strings"]Ok, so the title says it all really. I'm 16, don't have much money and I want to start my first violin soon. What tools will I definitely need? Which can I make myself?


Joe[/quote]

Don't be blinded or snowed by all of the tools needed. When I was 12, I got the Popular Mechanics book, "You can make a 'Stradivarius' violin."

There was a pocket with a lot of plans. The text was too abreviated to make much sense of things. I later bought the Herron-Allen book.

When I was 15, I got interested in making knives. Suddenly I saw that one could make tools. My first chisel had an 18" handle and the metal was one of the cheapest possible 3/4" chisel. I ground this to give it a rounded shape. I rough-carved by pushing the end of the handle with my belly and my fists in between. My first knife (which I used for a long time) was a small putty knife cut to make a triangle, and the steel was tempered well for a knife.

I used the chisel to take tiny bites instead of having a plane or scrapers. I did not even have peg shapers or reamers. A local shop fit the pegs.

My aunt knew Carl Becker as she had one of his violas and lived in Chicago. I was 16 with my first violin finished with Michelmann varnish. She had known Michelmann in Cincinnati where she played quartets with Mrs. Michelmann.

Anyhow, I wound up meeting meeting Mr. Becker and he talked to me for some time. He even told me I could learn a lot if I came to Wisconsin for the summer. What an offer !! At the time I was headed to college to study physics. I told him "It is nice as a hobby, but I am going to college." His advice was "learn to sharpen a scraper and how to use it."

The whole point is that you can manipulate the world to do things. You can make tools. That is the whole point of technology. The rest is keeping your eyes and ears open.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When Y2K turned over, I was going to visit my parents. I thought, "What if they're right, and the world as we know it comes to an end when the computer clocks roll over?" So just in case, I put everything I figured I'd absolutely need to make violins in the woods if I couldn't get back to Chicago. The whole pile, except for my form and a saw, fit in one of these:
http://www.arvadasurplus.com/50cal-can.html?productid=50cal-can&channelid=FROOG&utm_source=CSEs&utm_medium=GoogleShopping&utm_campaign=ArvadaSurplus

You don't really need much to make a violin. I imagine I have a LOT more tools than Andrea Amati did.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot's happened since I last posted this.

Recently, I contacted a violin maker. We got to chatting on Facebook, and we talked about my first violin. This guy/gal (who shall remain anonymous unless he/she wishes otherwise) then offered to give me all the wood I needed that I wasn't given already, and some surprise tools. I opened the box, and inside was:

Loads of gouges and straight chisels
Rasps and files
Coping saw
Calipers
Finger planes
Block plane
Dividers
Tape measure
Sharpening stones

Now I can start my violin! Is that amazing or what?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well you are all set, in mind and tools, good luck, make some sawdust!!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty huge boost, there. I hope you make full use of it. I wish I had begun this craft at your age.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J. Goldsmith,

What an excellent and generous thing!

My hat is off to your benefactor/benefactrix.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kjb wrote:
make some sawdust!!


And so I shall! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey mate. im also 16 and in the UK. where abouts are you? im loking to make a violin too i have about the same tools you have. good to know there is someone else out there like me making violins.
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