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Yet another claim of Stradivarius secrets
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Janito
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Electromagnetic radiation has been used for ages in the biomedical field. Take magnetic resonance for imaging or characterization of compounds and ultrasonography for imaging, deep heat and loosening fibrotic materials.

The basis of this method involves the use of ultrasonographic waves of a wavelength that cause the pit membranes to vibrate sympathetically and loosen from their surrounding attachments. There may also be some local heat generation from molecular excitation. From the average number of pits per square millimetre and the amount of energy needed to dislodge 1 membrane, I have calculated that approximately 2753.7J of energy are required to treat a typical billet of violin wood.

Assuming that the process is not being conducted with Boeing-sized equipment, I believe that a small ultrasonic instrument is being used and that the weeks required for processing is due to the small area that can be treated at one time. A piano would take considerably longer, especially if it is a full grand.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Janito wrote:
Electromagnetic radiation has been used for ages in the biomedical field. Take magnetic resonance for imaging or characterization of compounds and ultrasonography for imaging, deep heat and loosening fibrotic materials.

The basis of this method involves the use of ultrasonographic waves of a wavelength that cause the pit membranes to vibrate sympathetically and loosen from their surrounding attachments. There may also be some local heat generation from molecular excitation. From the average number of pits per square millimetre and the amount of energy needed to dislodge 1 membrane, I have calculated that approximately 2753.7J of energy are required to treat a typical billet of violin wood.

Assuming that the process is not being conducted with Boeing-sized equipment, I believe that a small ultrasonic instrument is being used and that the weeks required for processing is due to the small area that can be treated at one time. A piano would take considerably longer, especially if it is a full grand.

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Incredibly interesting, and saved for future reference.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have calculated that approximately 2753.7J of energy are required to treat a typical billet of violin wood.


Any clues about what frequency range would be most effective?
Wave length about the same as the diameter of a cell?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a practical perspective, most easily available ultrasonic instruments operate in the MHz range. Some industrial ones go higher.

As you see here:
http://www.photonics.byu.edu/fwnomograph.phtml
you would need much, much higher frequencies to approach the micron distances that would be appropriate to match cellular dimensions.

Incidentally, there are 'therapeutic ultrasound' instruments (searchable term) being sold for a few hundred $ or less. These may have some capacity to alter internal wood structure, given their ability to modify human tissues.

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I would be very interested to hear Mr Masterson's views on this.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Janito wrote:
Incidentally, there are 'therapeutic ultrasound' instruments (searchable term) being sold for a few hundred $ or less. These may have some capacity to alter internal wood structure, given their ability to modify human tissues.

You may be able to contact suppliers, producers, and some corporate researchers to shed some more light on this.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actonern ~ "hyper barbaric" Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goes with all the 'hyper ventilation' that transpired on this mindless thread.

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