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kjb
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i took joes class on varnishing and he recommends the tapping we used the heel of the hand for that , should be a sticky pull away , a certain sound like a smack but hard to describe. puts on a very thin layer. but the consistency
of the varnish has to be right, so if it isn't smacking you need to adjust the varnish consistency, it will feel that your skin is sticking to the varnish as you pull away, but leaves varnish behind. you can do quite a few layers that way.
you can also move the varnish around with the same method , if you get it a little thick in one place.
again doing it is worth a thousand words.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks kjb,

I had used another varnish before with the tapping method. This varnish was so different to what I was used to, so it took a while to get the hang of it. You are right that a demonstration is invaluable.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice work Fjodor!
I'm doing scrolls since CT did a bunch. I have never done so many in a row but I wanted to try some ideas while still using my old template. I think they still look a lot like what normally do. These still need to be cleaned up. I get them to this point and then glue on a finger board that is mostly shaped.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonLeister wrote:

I'm doing scrolls since CT did a bunch.


The E peg holes look as if they are too far back. The floor could get pretty thin after fluting the back and reaming the hole.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonLeister wrote:
Nice work Fjodor!
I'm doing scrolls since CT did a bunch. I have never done so many in a row but I wanted to try some ideas while still using my old template. I think they still look a lot like what normally do. These still need to be cleaned up. I get them to this point and then glue on a finger board that is mostly shaped.]


Thanks, nice scrolls there. I can see the advantage of working with several at a time, if you want to try out different things. It looks like the throat is getting bigger on each scroll from left to right, Am I right?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the throats are different but could still be changed. The lumps sure stand out and I just noticed how the camera (phone) elongates things as they approach the corners of the frame. Rounder in the middle and more oval towards the corners. They look pretty rough!
And that E could stand to go up a little!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fjodor great job on the varnish and the violin is looking awesome. I'm using Joe's system too same as you, one question is did you do any smoothing between the ground coats or color coats if so what? Keep up the great work!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don very interesting to do and show so many scrolls and they all look great and different too! They do all look different in the pic and some more distinctive than others. I always wonder how distinctive one should go and what is the balance between personal ability, style, and tradition? Did you use different templates or just wing it? Yours are very nice though and great works!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mikes wrote:
Fjodor great job on the varnish and the violin is looking awesome. I'm using Joe's system too same as you, one question is did you do any smoothing between the ground coats or color coats if so what? Keep up the great work!
Best,
Mike Spencer


Thank you Mike,
I did not smooth between the ground coats and varnish. But I mixed the final ground varnish ( thinned) with a bit of tripoli and rubbed it in which have a bit of smoothing effect.
I used this ground system on another violin and found the last step a bit difficult because of the thick varnish, so I thought I'd try to do it a bit different this time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DonLeister wrote:

I'm doing scrolls since CT did a bunch. I have never done so many in a row but I wanted to try some ideas while still using my old template. I think they still look a lot like what normally do. These still need to be cleaned up. I get them to this point and then glue on a finger board that is mostly shaped.


Very cool.
Thanks so much for posting your progress. I love the differences that come up in carving these things.
I'm as busy looking at yours, as I am looking at mine. I'm sort of digesting a lot of information and thinking about much; perhaps even changing not only my template, but individualizing a bit, simply by eye and drawing...

I'm going through a recent unending "drawing phase" and have started a couple of new sketch books and that's bringing back a lot of what I've lost over all these years of not really doing much, art-wise.

But the fact is that this next template ... well, I want it to be perfect from my view, instead of just something else that I got or copied from somewhere. Of course, I will copy a new scroll that I like to start, then, I believe I will probably alter the gap under the scroll and the peg placement somewhat...

You know what I mean? I'm sort of interested in seeing if I can come up with something that satisfies me fully, art wise, design wise, carving wise, wood wise, and all the rest of the etc.'s that might pertain.
Just for the he11 of it.
I figure what have I got to lose? This ought to be interesting, the worst I could do is fail and have to start over...

You guys here know me somewhat - I like posting photos, so I'll be at it again, soon -
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that is the way to go ct, I am trying to get to that level, and making some progress
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote





kjb wrote:
I think that is the way to go ct, I am trying to get to that level, and making some progress


Looks like you're mostly there now, kjb...
Nice design - nice workmanship. If you change, I'd like to see the new profile and shots of the scroll taken askance also.

God help me, I'm stuck in scroll design, much like a fly in the ointment!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike, I'm using the same template, from a Strad poster but varying the shape by going on one sided of the line or the other, it doesn't take much to really change the look.
To me they look 'roundish' but for one ( except for the lumps which will be smoothed out later). I need to do some more studies or drawings.

I have some of Joe's Greek brown pitch varnish too and have yet to try it, it is super thick and a nice color.

Fjodor , is that violin making any music yet? Does is sound like you expected it to sound?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fjodor , is that violin making any music yet? Does is sound like you expected it to sound?


Thanks for asking. I strung it up yesterday, and the bridge is still to be trimmed. But I like it a lot so far. It has lots of "marrow" to the tone and a good e string. I would say it is my best so far.
Im not afraid to use high density spruce any more!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice that it sounds good right off the bat. I know they can change over time.

It's funny about the spruce, I think I have a heavy one on the bench now, it's 3.0-3.5 all over and about 85g w/o a bar, still some room to thin it down some.
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