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ctviolin
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wait...,

wait...,

Hang on a sec., if I could only stop slobbering on it, perhaps I could work this keyboard...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Absolutely gorgeous country.

You lucky dog.

(Now, that is a cup of kool-aid sitting next to you, correct?) Looks like fun, playing that pochette. Of course, you're playing etudes and classical scales only, right?

Looks like life is good. Tents make me start to slobber and drool in anticipation of "roughing it" for a while!...

ct


It is beautiful place, though prone to forest fires this time of year. One started right next to Redfish Lake, about 10 miles away, on Monday. We headed back home Sunday. Though we did get to see smoke from a big one north of us.

Nearly kool-aid it was. A Cabernet, about $2.50 a bottle, in the finest of plastic cups. We had decent cheese, and I threw together a vegetable and pasta dinner.

I was probably playing Neil Gow's "Farewell to Whisky", which is pretty much classical for a fiddler.

Our tent was a $75 7x7 which we got maybe 8 years ago. Being old farts, well, I am, we have a double-size air mattress that just fits in the tent door, takes up nearly the entire floor, but is basically like sleeping on a bed. Probably most of our backpacking nights are behind us, but we can get close to it. And it is so nice to wake up to cold mountain air in the morning.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never did get around to making a video of the pochette being played, but was just this morning putting up a tune for my band, and realized I could actually do the same for this thread. So, I have a sound-file on SoundCloud. You should be able to get to it at this link --

https://soundcloud.com/dancefiddle/two-pochette-test

It starts out with my regular violin, the first one I built of the Bros-Amati/Denis pattern, using a decent pernambuco bow (maybe 80-100 years old, student bow, say $800).

The pochettes I am playing with a 1/4-size Glasser bow (fiberglas, new, about, say $60). Don't know how much difference a decent small pernambuco bow would make, but I guess not much.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer the first of the Pochettes. I think it needs a soundpost.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SooT wrote:
I prefer the first of the Pochettes. I think it needs a soundpost.


I far prefer the first. I'll give the second a couple more days to settle down (could turn out to be a couple weeks), and then maybe put in a soundpost. Perhaps two, one on each side. Or pull the top, remove the integral center bar, and put in a bass bar.

I have heard that some of the old pochettes were built this way, without a soundpost and just some sort of bar. Perhaps if one were to work on it, it could produce a decent tone. Setting a soundpost in these things is not so fun, either. Steep bevels.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Ken Pollard"]
SooT wrote:

Perhaps if one were to work on it, it could produce a decent tone.



interesting idea.
It would be cool if it was a contest to participate in - in order to see how it might be done best.
Perhaps a slightly different design would make a HUGE difference?
Perhaps the thicknessing is really critical?
But, in fact, it may simply be impossible, what do you think ?

The soundboard may well just be too small to radiate well, I would think, within that particular range?

Who knows?

But it is an interesting idea, are YOU gonna do it?, I mean, design a different one, in order to see if the tonal output might be bettered? You sound a bit like you just may be finished with these.

I've gotta say - I think I may try making one eventually, (First I've gotta finish what I've started in the other thread(s) though) just because it is so portable and can be taken wherever you go.

They're pretty d@mn cool Ken.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They're pretty d@mn cool Ken.




Oop-s, I didn't mean to say d@mn I meant to say d@rn...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they are d@rn cool too CT. Easy to take on a plane.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Craig and Sue.

Yes, I do want to try another design. Shorter, but wider. I still want to have something that will fit in a typical violin case, a 1/4-size. Reasons: (1) it looks like a violin case, so less explaining to do at the airport, and (2) I'm not interested in making cases (at least not so far).

So wide enough to just fit in a 1/4-size case with no extra padding on the sides. Also short enough for the 1/4-size case. I like the 1/4-size bow for this sort of tune work.

Here's one that has some nice features -- http://orgs.usd.edu/nmm/BowedStringsOther/Pochettes/2674Perry/PerryPochette2674.html
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for posting the sound clip, Ken! I finished my first instrument a month or two ago (a pochette) and I was discouraged that it had a Bb wolf in first position on the E string. The person who gave me the mould for the pochette also had first position wolves in the F natural and Bb on the E string. Knowing this, I had left mine on the thick side, but I couldn't shake that nasty Bb. It is encouraging to see that you are in the same boat with the E. Certainly it seems like this has something to do with pattern - maybe the small lower bout width in relation to top length.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to hear that, Walter. Did you put a soundpost in your pochette? My first, the one with the more-or-less normal bass bar and soundpost, doesn't seem to have issues with the e-string.

I'd sure like to see a photo of your pochette.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did put a soundpost in, and man was that a job!

It looks like this website does not allow you to directly upload a picture, so I will have to link to the other unnamed site... I think you might have to e logged in to view the images.

http://www.maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/328647-walter-obannons-bench/
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice, Walter. I worked on the design I did to avoid corners, a scroll, purfling, and f-holes. You took all of those on.

And I'll have to tell you, I haven't logged onto MN for many months now, but did so to see your photos, because I couldn't see them otherwise. I seem to have gotten away unscathed. Smile

If you wanted to post them to this forum, Flickr is a photo hosting site, free, which used to be simple and easy but they've recently improved it so it is busier, slower, and uglier. It does still work, though. You can post images there and then link to them on this forum, fairly painlessly. Other photo hosting sites seem to work the same way.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ken Pollard wrote:

And I'll have to tell you, I haven't logged onto MN for many months now, but did so to see your photos, because I couldn't see them otherwise. I seem to have gotten away unscathed. Smile



tee hee !

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