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 Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:35 pm Post subject: The new Andrew Dipper book - Worth it? |
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Has anyone had a chance to review Andrew Dipper's "Librem Segreti De BVTTEGHA – A BOOK OF WORKSHOP SECRETS"?
This book is being offered by International Violin and is a bit pricey. Let's be honest, it's practically textbook-priced.  Is it worth having? |
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I am glad you put it that way. Textbooks frequently are NOT worth the price, but are required for a given course of study...and are frequently discarded, or sold at half-price as soon as the course is over.
I hope someone can verify that this is a genuinely valuable book, and not just another collection of archaic folklore.
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Looks as though the earliest recipients may only have had their copies since mid-April. Not a peep yet in the thread at the other place.
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Andres Sender wrote: | | Looks as though the earliest recipients may only have had their copies since mid-April. Not a peep yet in the thread at the other place. |
"A book of workshop secrets" ?
Interesting title.
I always assume that any such claim must be made in regard to current (perhaps not widely spread or common) workshop practices - and not be written about the mysterious classical violin making past. (I hope)
It'll be interesting to hear of what this tome has to offer, in today's already information glutted violin making world.
I wonder if it simply devotes a significant effort to current practical (mechanical) requirements for swift and accurate making...?
without any of the "shade of the moon - in the dead of winter - the southern oriented tree must produce a specific note and speak Italian - and then be coated with the secret elixir of the gods."
- well, we'll see. Personally I would welcome any new violin making book that was truly about violin making in the present, written towards the modern, goal-oriented craftsman.
Simply because I enjoy reading such stuff. Even if only for my own edification.
OTOH, much of the usually very opinionated stuff (fluff?) I read on many makers sites - well, I'll stop right here, cool?.
(hint - hint - hint - an actual pragmatic modern violin making making book? - now, who do I know, that could write one of those for today's market??)
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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It's my understanding that it is a translation of a book written in the 18th c. and about Cremona, but beyond that I will refrain from attempting to characterize it based on the mishmash I found in the thread on the subject.
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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The name of the book perhaps is inspired in a Cremonese manuscript now in the Biblioteca Vaticana called "LIBRUM SEGRETI DE BUTTEGHA - Regule et Formule Phoniche per Liutaro et Violinaro", once in the library of the Schollar Patetta Federico and now in the Vatican Library.
This manuscript was the basis of an Italian book published around 1970 by Euro Peluzzi called "Tecnica Costroutiva degli Antichi Liutai Italiani", that advocates the "inside first" aproach for the plates. Whenever I try to read Peluzzi`s book I get afraid of not being able to make an instrument again... the method is just too much complicated for me...
One of the things that intrigues me is that the names of the makers on the LIBRUM are unknown (at least to me, they were not Italian names, as far as I remember). From what I know it seems that the Vatican Library was not able to find the manuscript, at least I had this information some years ago directly from the Vatican Library.
I think I will not buy Dipper's book, but I am willing to buy any book published in the same format of Biddulph's 2 volume book about Del Gesù, that is, real size photos, technical drawings and information (i find this essential in a good book today), etc.
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| Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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So does any of that relate directly to the Dipper book, or do we have a clue?
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| Andres Sender wrote: | | So does any of that relate directly to the Dipper book, or do we have a clue? |
So far I believe we're all dissing in the wind.
"dissing"... he he.
Well, I guess so far were all doing SOMETHING into the wind.
No one here has seen it or read it yet, I trust?
What about an on line ad or review?
anyone?
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| Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Ad:
"Librem Segreti De Bvttegha
A Book of Workshop Secrets: The Violin and its Frabrication in Italy Circa 1725-1790, Phonic rules, principals and formulas for the use of Luthiers and Violin Enthusiasts - This book is a translation by Andrew Dipper of a rare 18th century manuscript on vioin making, which is now part of the Fondo Patetta of the Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana - Typeset and illustrated by the author, it contains his footnotes, explanations, illustrations and interpretations of the manuscripts's historic secrets, rules and formulas - 61 color and black and white illustrations, hardbound with color slip cover, 110 pages."
So, it is a translation of the very book itself! If I had gone to IVC link in the first place I could have had this all clear already.
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| Andres Sender wrote: | Ad:
"Librem Segreti De Bvttegha
A Book of Workshop Secrets: The Violin and its Frabrication in Italy Circa 1725-1790, Phonic rules, principals and formulas for the use of Luthiers and Violin Enthusiasts - This book is a translation by Andrew Dipper of a rare 18th century manuscript on vioin making, which is now part of the Fondo Patetta of the Biblioteca Apostolica Vaticana - Typeset and illustrated by the author, it contains his footnotes, explanations, illustrations and interpretations of the manuscripts's historic secrets, rules and formulas - 61 color and black and white illustrations, hardbound with color slip cover, 110 pages."
So, it is a translation of the very book itself! If I had gone to IVC link in the first place I could have had this all clear already. |
Ahhh.
Thanks Andres, that answers my questions as well.
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